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Mon 24 March: Spokes Spring public meeting

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  1. chdot
    Admin

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    UNDERSTANDING CYCLING

    ... past ... present ... possible futures

    Professor Colin Pooley Lancaster University Environment Centre. Author and lead researcher in the pioneering and controversial Understanding Walking and Cycling study.

    http://www.its.leeds.ac.uk/fileadmin/user_upload/UWCReportSept2011.pdf

    ... implications for Edinburgh

    Cllr Andrew Burns Leader of Edinburgh City Council will respond to the talk, followed by a panel discussion.
    Venue: Augustine United Church, George IV Bridge
    Time: 7.30. Open 6.45 for coffee, stall, exhibition and chat More info:

    mknottenbelt1[AT]gmail.com 07501 381018.

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    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2014/03/understanding-cycling-spokes-spring-public-meeting

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Worth a read -

    Understanding WALKING & CYCLING

    Edited highlights -

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    Executive summary

    It is widely recognized that there is a need to increase levels of active and sustainable travel in British urban areas. The Understanding Walking and Cycling (UWAC) project, funded by the EPSRC, has examined the factors influencing everyday travel decisions and proposes a series of policy measures to increase levels of walking and cycling for short trips in urban areas. A wide range of both quantitative and qualitative data were collected in four English towns (Leeds, Leicester, Worcester, Lancaster), including a questionnaire survey, analysis of the built environment, interviews and ethnographies. Key findings of the research are that whilst attitudes to walking and cycling are mostly positive or neu- tral, many people who would like to engage in more active travel fail to do so due to a combination of factors. These can be summarised as:

    Concerns about the physical environment, especially with regard to safety when walking or cycling;

    The difficulty of fitting walking and cycling into complex household routines (especially with young children);

    The perception that walking and cycling are in some ways abnormal things to do so.

    It is suggested that policies to increase levels of walking and cycling should focus not only on improving infrastructure (for instance through fully segregated cycle routes), but also must tackle broader social, economic, cultural and legal factors that currently inhibit walking and cycling. Together, such changes can create an environment in which driving for short trips in urban areas is seen as abnormal and walking or cycling seem the obvious choices.

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    In summary, there are a number of different ways in which the above objectives could be achieved – and different solutions may be applicable in particular places – but three key points underpin our policy proposals.

    First, it should not be assumed that it is sufficient to change attitudes and make people more environmentally aware. It is necessary also to make the changes that enable people to translate these values into actions.

    Second, do not base policies about walking and cycling on the views and experiences of existing committed cyclists and pedestrians. These are a minority who have, against all the odds, successfully negotiated a hostile urban environment to incorporate walk- ing and cycling into their everyday routines. It is necessary to talk – as we have done - to non-walkers and non-cyclists, potential cyclist and walkers, former cyclists and walkers, recreational cyclists and occasional walkers to determine what would encourage them to make more use of these transport modes.

    Third, it should be recognized that while physical infrastructure is important, it is not on its own sufficient. There is also need for an integrated policy that embraces social welfare, employment, housing, health, and education amongst other policy areas to create a to- tal environment that is welcoming for cyclists and pedestrians.

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    In short - a useful addition to what 'we' know, combining walking and cycling policy requirements.

    Also, once again, there is the need for those responsible (usually politicians) to show some leadership.

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  3. crowriver
    Member

    I am sure we have discussed this research before.

    A few problems. It states:

    Key findings of the research are that whilst attitudes to walking and cycling are mostly positive or neu- tral, many people who would like to engage in more active travel fail to do so due to a combination of factors. These can be summarised as:

    Concerns about the physical environment, especially with regard to safety when walking or cycling;

    The difficulty of fitting walking and cycling into complex household routines (especially with young children);

    The perception that walking and cycling are in some ways abnormal things to do so.

    Yeah, I can just imagine what people said. I am 99.9% certain that in their mind's eye, folk were weighing up cyclng/walking versus taking their car. So, "Cycling's not safe! Walking's safe, but too much effort, too slow. Car is safe and fast. Cycling/walking are far too slow. How on earth will we do the monthly shop/school run? You need a car! Cycling and walking are weird. Everybody who is anybody drives! We're not weird, we're normal. We'd like to change, of course we all want to save the planet and please interviewers like you, but let's be realistic."

    And then it states:

    Second, do not base policies about walking and cycling on the views and experiences of existing committed cyclists and pedestrians. These are a minority who have, against all the odds, successfully negotiated a hostile urban environment to incorporate walk- ing and cycling into their everyday routines. It is necessary to talk – as we have done - to non-walkers and non-cyclists, potential cyclist and walkers, former cyclists and walkers, recreational cyclists and occasional walkers to determine what would encourage them to make more use of these transport modes.

    Right. So, you ask drivers instead? People who think cycling and walking are dangerous, too much effort, too slow, and too weird? What will those people get out of their cars for? Buses? "Too slow, too many poor people, don't stop exactly outside people's houses, don't run at night". Trains? "A bit better than buses but more inflexible and expensive". Trams? "Have you seen how much money they wasted on that? Like trains, but slower". Cycling and walking? "Dangerous, too much effort, too slow, and too weird".

    Asking the people who are locked into the system creating the problem how to switch them to a different system will result in precisely no change. The answer will just be that they don't want to change, they just want conditions for their system to improve. Hence, dual the A9, bypasses, get rid of bus lanes, etc.

    This kind of consultation with the majority group is not going to work. Look around the world, see places where cycling has increased. It is only done by promoting the interests of the minority group at the expense of the majority group that change occurs.

    (For the avoidance of doubt, IMO the actual recommendations for action in the report are sensible. However to cast these rhetorically as basing policy on what non-cyclists and non-walkers want is disingenuous. These are exactly the measures that existing cyclists and walkers want to see.)

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  4. chdot
    Admin

    "However to cast these rhetorically as basing policy on what non-cyclists and non-walkers want is disingenuous"

    I think there is a perception - perpetuated in this paper - that there are 'wrong sorts of' cyclists/campaigners.

    There has undoubtedly been (historic) opposition to segregated paths because of the fear that 'cyclists will be made to use them' - and therefore be banned from the road.

    This was once the policy of the CTC, but that organisation had changed A LOT in recent years.

    There has been some opposition to Sustrans on the basis that their paths lead to the 'wrong sort of cyclists' - who drive to cycle and never ride on roads.

    There has also been a tendency (still alive) that would-cyclists should 'get trained and toughen-up'.

    So there may be a feeling that either experienced cyclists have forgotten being 'new' or think that 'if I can do it anyone can'.

    I'm sure there are some people like that, though I suspect they are not representative of the mass of people who cycle - or, I hope, get into positions where they claim to 'represent' cyclists.

    I think CCE has proved that people with very different experience and competences (and fitness) all want things to be better - for their own personal feelings of safety and to 'allow' more people to cycle.

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  5. Simon Parker
    Member

    Whilst I mostly very much agree with what has been said, I think it is important just to recognise that the Understanding Walking and Cycling study recommends that policies should not be based (wholly) on the views and experiences of existing, committed cyclists and pedestrians (my emphasis).

    According to Geller's Four types of cyclists, these committed cyclists would be termed the Strong and Fearless.

    I want to say that people mostly choose to use a bicycle for positive reasons, i.e., it is fun, it is healthy, it is environmentally-friendly, it is fast (in congested urban areas) and it is inexpensive.

    The major cycling-related benefits can therefore be classified into the following categories:

    > transport efficiency;
    > environmental protection;
    > cyclists’ health and fitness;
    > economic and social impact.

    Despite these positive features, it must also be noted that cycling has several negative aspects. These relate to:

    > lack or inadequacy of road and parking infrastructure;
    > cyclists’ safety and security;
    > weather conditions;
    > poor intermodality.

    Whilst I have said that I do not personally feel that cycling is dangerous, I do of course recognise that cyclists are vulnerable to motorised vehicles, and that they may feel more at risk under poor cycling conditions. Safety and a sense of security are therefore significant factors in making cycling a better option.

    The five main requirements for bicycle-friendly infrastructures as identified by the Dutch National Information and Technology Platform for Transport, Infrastructure and Public Space (CROW) are as follows:

    > Improved traffic safety;
    > Directness: short, fast routes from origin to destination;
    > Comfort: good surfaces, generous space and little hindrance from other road users;
    > Attractiveness: a pleasant, socially safe environment, without smell or noise nuisance;
    > Cohesion: logical, cohesive routes.

    Certain of these criteria are easier to attend to than others.

    I would emphasise as well that building on the positives (notably transport efficiency) would likely yield good results, and that developing an amenable cycling environment isn't simply about removing the negatives.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. wingpig
    Member

    "So there may be a feeling that either experienced cyclists have forgotten being 'new' or think that 'if I can do it anyone can'."

    That. Also vsible as "well I don't have a problem with that road/junction/manoeuvre," syndrome. Unconfident cyclists can be readily spotted and observed and no-one sprang fully-Bikeability-level-3-trained from the womb, so I find the derogatorily unempathic hard to empathise with.

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  7. crowriver
    Member

    My point is that basing policy on what non-cyclists and non-walkers want has been going on for 60 years at least in the UK. Just look at the 'quality' cycling and walking infrastructure we have as a result. To then say "do not base policies about walking and cycling on the views and experiences of existing committed cyclists and pedestrians" simply perpetuates the same approach.

    Would non-cyclists and non-walkers want strict liability? Unlikely.

    Indeed, would non-cyclists and non-walkers want any of the policies put forward in the report? It's fanciful to think that they would.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    Surely we need to be in the rawlsian original position? Which means that we don't know if we are cyclists or walkers or drivers, but we need to decide how best to allocate resources from behind a 'veil of ignorance'?

    (HMmm..has anyone trademarked WWRD? Geekier than WWJD)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    WDRD? He didn't mention transport.

    Alain Trannoy refers to Rawls in relation to transport in 'Equity dimensions of transport policies' in 'A Handbook of Transport Economics, 2011 (eds De Palma, Lindey, Quinet, Vickerman), Edward Elgar Publishing (available via Googol books).

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    TOMORROW

    Various pub options afterwards.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. le_soigneur
    Member

    Simon Parker could introduce his network in person at this forum?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. DaveC
    Member

    I'm going.

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  13. SRD
    Moderator

    me too.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  14. DaveC
    Member

    Is anyone free to meet up in the cafe on the Bridge side of the Church? I met a couple of cyclists last year I think. Not sure what its called. Any times? 7pm?

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  15. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'll see if I can make it.

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  16. chdot
    Admin

    At 7 you could meet at the venue - t and bunz.

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  17. DaveC
    Member

    I think we met in Caffe Lucano, Green frontage on Google Street view:

    http://goo.gl/maps/RMa14

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  18. DaveC
    Member

    I searched for t and Bunz, and was pointed to a cafe on Home Street????

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  19. PS
    Member

    I think we met in Caffe Lucano last time, Dave. I'm planning on heading along tonight, but may be cutting it fine so won't promise to be at the Cafe beforehand.

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  20. chdot
    Admin

    Sometimes I'm too subtle for my own good...

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    Venue: Augustine United Church, George IV Bridge
    Time: 7.30. Open 6.45 for coffee, stall, exhibition and chat More info:

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    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. SRD
    Moderator

    i'll be there early for leafletting. suspect I could easily be convinced to go for a pint after...

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  22. chdot
    Admin

    Very interesting meeting.

    Sundry CCEers present. Over 150 people - pretty impressive for such a 'minority interest' subject.

    Professor Colin Pooley of @LancsUniLEC said all the things 'we' know/want - but he had the evidence...

    Andrew Burns responded saying that he hoped that Edinburgh would reach it's target of '15% by 2020' - but that more needed to be done to make it a possibility.

    He also almost promised that the cycle budget would keep going up 1% pa - 'it could be 10% by the end of this administration'.

    Once again he spoke quite strongly in favour of red surfacing (instead of chips) and mentioned the QBC ride he went on with three CCE members.

    So why can't the Leader of the Council make it happen?


    Taking notes

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  23. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Andrew Burns responded saying that he hoped that Edinburgh would reach it's target of '15% by 2020'

    But (perhaps mistakenly) about commuting, not about all journeys.

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  24. chdot
    Admin

    "But (perhaps mistakenly) about commuting, not about all journeys."

    Yes.

    I think he was just reiterating some 'accepted wisdom' within CEC that 15% for "cycling to work" might be possible, whereas 15% for "modal share" - ie all journeys - isn't.

    The difference (not just semantic) was pointed out by Kim in the audience.

    Whether it was possible on the day the Brussels' Treaty was signed is an open question!

    The problem is 'institutional'. As SRD said at question time, 'CEC has good policies, it's the implementation that's the problem'

    She mentioned the famous case of the dropped kerb on Harrison Road - on a Sustrans' NCN route!

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  25. chdot
    Admin

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    Cllr. Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
    25/03/2014 07:38
    @CyclingEdin @CllrChasBooth @adamrmcvey Thanks for the link ... enjoyed the meeting; and will get update (to Spokes) on the issues promised.

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    Cycling Edinburgh (@CyclingEdin)
    25/03/2014 09:16
    @AndrewDBurns is there an estimate of diff between "cycle to work & "modal share"?

    citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.…

    @SpokesLothian @adamrmcvey

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    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. neddie
    Member

    SRD's idea about devolving minor works to the neighbourhood (aka 'roads') teams, to leave the cycle team to deal with the high level/strategy stuff, was a good one. One which Andrew Burns failed to answer and waffled instead about something completely different.

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  27. chdot
    Admin

    As is common when Spokes organises a public meeting, the speaker also met some councillors and officials - so Prof Pooley's words weren't just delivered to the 'converted'!

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  28. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The problem is 'institutional'. As SRD said at question time, 'CEC has good policies, it's the implementation that's the problem'

    Andrew Burns did mention that the "politicians" needed support (from the electorate, organisations like Spokes) in dealing with the "[council] bureaucracy" to deliver change. So he's quite possibly in agreement with sentiments of the audience.

    I'm not sure how the inner machinations of the officialdom side of the council work (not the elected side), but I don't imagine they are slick, well integrated and with much appetite and in much of a hurry to deliver a big change to the way our transport system works. My own frustrating experiences with them things like making minor changes to railings and crossings and bollards and tactile flags does not fill me with much confidence that they are up to the job of the big changes Andrew mentioned happening by 2020.

    2 years to drop a kerb on a key cycle route and then still getting it wrong does not for cycling utopia in 6 years make!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. DaveC
    Member

    She mentioned the famous case of the dropped kerb on Harrison Road - on a Sustrans' NCN route!

    She should try cycling out to South Queensferry, that would keep her writing for year to come!

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  30. Kim
    Member

    Is it too late to achieve 15% modal share be 2020? I think it still might be possible, if the powers that be focus on the bigger picture. It is not the little things, like a dropped kerb here or there that make the difference. Its things like speed and volume of motor traffic, that really make a difference. These are really easy to change, if the will is there to do so.

    One of the major drivers of the increase in cycling we have seen in the last few years in Edinburgh is due to the trams. The tram works made in difficult (in some cases almost impossible) to drive into some parts of the centre of town. The result was a drop in the level of motor traffic entering the city. With the ending of the tram works, CEC missed a real opportunity to keep the traffic out and instead has a policy of "drive into Deadinburgh". The effect of this policy will be to knock cycling and walking back, whilst increasing congestion, a really fail:fail solution.

    To have any chance of hitting the target, CEC need to reduce speed of motor traffic, which they are doing, and reduce volume, which can easily be achieved by removing parking. People with still come into the city centre as it is will be an attractive place to be, it is just that they wont come by car.

    If anyone is not convinced of this, I suggest they take a trip to the mainland of Europe where there are a great many cities which have take this approach and shown that it works.

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